11 April 2013 @ 12:48 am
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[Private to Dylan | Audio]

I would like to discuss something with you. It relates to Harper, and what just happened to the ship. I've been reminded of it lately and I've been slightly distracted by spiders until now.

[Private to Toshiko | Audio]

I would like to ask you some questions about what happened with the ship. I'm curious about how it might share similarities to an incident that happened aboard the Andromeda.

[Private to Ben | Audio]

I need to speak to you about something. It has to do with Ladd. [Because he hates when the universe rewards bad behavior for some and tells others that they're only good dead.]
 
 
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hunt4commonwealth: pic#5700703[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 11th, 2013 08:50 am (UTC)
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Which incidents? When he accidentally had super-knowledge downloaded into him? Or when he accidentally activated Andromeda's hidden personality and mission protocol and she nearly killed us? Or when he started accidentally shifting time when he built that Tesseract machine?

[Oh Harper. It's a good thing he's a damn good engineer, otherwise Dylan would be tempted to shoot him out of an escape pod and never let him touch Andromeda again.]

You're only a few doors down. I'll be there in a few. [Dylan is also a social monkey.]
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - tux shifty[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 11th, 2013 09:02 am (UTC)
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[He's pacing in his room when Dylan shows up, finally giving himself time to think about it. He remembers mentioning to Toshiko that she didn't feel well.]

All of those things happened to me as well. [He says as he makes a turn to walk slowly around his desk, hands tucked primly behind his back.] I wouldn't have been able to change fate if it hadn't been for the Tesseract machine.

But Harper killed thousands of people when he did that to remove the Magog. His survival would end up saving millions more. But... if there had been a stable Commonwealth, Harper would have never been permitted to hold rank on a ship again.

[He looks at Dylan dryly.] Did you mention that we are familiar with what sort of dataport Toshiko has?
hunt4commonwealth: pic#5700830[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 11th, 2013 09:16 am (UTC)
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On a real High Guard ship, they probably wouldn't have let Harper so much as walk in the door.

[Dylan helps himself to a seat and watches Rhade pace.]

I haven't mentioned it. I'm not sure how familiar I am with it. I've seen it from a distance but... [He shrugs.] I don't know how similar it is to Harper's. I always assumed that it came from her universe.

Are you telling me that it didn't? [He has a feeling that that's where this is going.]
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - pounds of hate[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 11th, 2013 09:22 am (UTC)
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I've seen it up close. It's like the ones we're familiar with. [He finally does have a seat, too, beside of Dylan.]

Her and Harper were very close, when he was here.
hunt4commonwealth[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 11th, 2013 09:31 am (UTC)
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Close, like...Harper finally got a woman to like him, close?

[Harper's personal life aside...]

So you think he might have made it for her?




You realize that would mean that this is all indirectly Harper's fault. [God damn it, Harper. If you were here right now, Dylan would make a point of giving you a Look. And advise you to just give your girlfriends chocolates next time, and not a brain-surgery dataport.]
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - no rly2[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 11th, 2013 09:44 am (UTC)
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There was not much notably public, but she does have a dataport, she did want to avoid discussing him once, and she is the sort of woman that might reciprocate his advances.

He at least played a role in knowing that they exist, but I wonder if he warned her of the dangers. He didn't necessarily like to admit his mistakes. Not to me, anyway.

[But he gives Dylan a look that says that he did make a lot of those mistakes.]

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hunt4commonwealth: pic#1559048[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 12:23 am (UTC)
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Not to me, either. And brilliant as he is with machines, he's not very good at considering the consequences of things.

Like the Tesseract machine.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it slipped his mind to mention possible dangers or side effects
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - sideglance[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 02:05 am (UTC)
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I am wondering how much we should tell them about the dataports and if it would do any good. I'm relatively certain that, though she was carrying a great amount of hatred that should be addressed, the actual attack on the ship was unintentional.
hunt4commonwealth: thinking[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 05:34 am (UTC)
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Whether it'll do any good or not, we should tell them what we know. It might not change anyone's decision, but at least they'll be better informed when they make it.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - suit glare[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 05:36 am (UTC)
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Or better informed before they attempt to lash out. I can say with some confidence being an inmate here with people you've wronged, even indirectly, is miserable. Especially if they won't allow you to make amends. She's here with an entire ship of people she's done this to.
hunt4commonwealth: handface[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 06:07 am (UTC)
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[Dylan put his hand on his chin.]

I'll do what I can to protect her.

If there was some way we could reconcile people...

...but in some ways getting whole species to put aside differences is easier than this. Both sides have things they want, things that can be negotiated. I don't think Tosh has anything that the people she wronged might want. There's nothing to negotiate with and no incentive for them to forgive her.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - w dylan[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 06:59 am (UTC)
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All they want is for her to hurt as much as they did, to prove their will matters again. [There's a touch of frustration there, because he's angry too. He hates much of what she said.] Her opinions were one-sided, bitter, and ill-informed. She's never been an inmate here, and captivity here is completely different from captivity anywhere else because you're regularly stripped of yourself. [But she is... was... is his friend, he supposes. She is much like what Harper used to be to him.]

But she didn't mean to put those opinions inside of the ship. She didn't mean for them to hurt people. However, she's standing by those opinions and holding herself to them after the fact.

There were two individuals in the engine room that could confirm the story.
hunt4commonwealth: pic#1559041[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 07:23 am (UTC)
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Maybe being an inmate is the best punishment for her, then. Make her learn empathy for the other side.

It sounds like she's not generally violent, but she reached a point where she saw only the worst in everything and everybody, including herself. And no one likes to think that someone's looking at you and seeing only the terrible. Even if she doesn't hurt anyone again, everyone knows that some part of her thinks we all deserve it.

Who were in the engine room at the time?
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - profile[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 07:32 am (UTC)
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[He leans back and stretches his arm along the back of the couch.] Megamind and Ronald Sandoval. [They both should remember Megamind from that horrible breach- but Megamind's defenses have been excessively adamant.]

I think her punishment is currently appropriate. But I also think that people deserve to know what actually happened before there is another murder played over the network.
hunt4commonwealth: nervous[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 07:36 am (UTC)
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Murder played over the network.

I hope you're joking, but I'm pretty sure you're not.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - scrutiny[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 07:45 am (UTC)
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It happened to Rex. He attempted to take over the Barge. I was one of the people he used as a mindless soldier. Another of us didn't recover well from the experience. Even his recent death at Arthas's hand stems from that event.
hunt4commonwealth[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 07:58 am (UTC)
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[Dylan rubs his forehead.]

It's times like this when it's really hard to have faith in the goodness of sentient species.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - suspicious[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 08:47 am (UTC)
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She's a small woman. When I last spoke with her in person, she looked as though she would break in the wind. And right now, she would certainly be unarmed.
hunt4commonwealth: pic#2360696[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 12th, 2013 09:29 am (UTC)
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I can't imagine that Rex was able to put up much of a fight, either.

I know they hurt a lot of people, but two wrongs don't make a right. And posting a murder on the network...that's just an extra level of sadistic right there.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - i suppose so[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 12th, 2013 10:28 am (UTC)
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[He drums his fingers.] I'll bring up what I know. Do you think you could possibly find harder physical evidence?
hunt4commonwealth: kitty[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 13th, 2013 05:06 am (UTC)
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I can look through my hard copy files and see if I find anything useful. It might take a while. They aren't very organized. I always relied on Rommie for that. But I might have a log of some of Harper's escapades.
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - curious[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 13th, 2013 06:15 am (UTC)
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I miss the Andromeda.

[The admission is grim. He knows she would hate him if she ever saw him again; he robbed her of her crew, her family, the people that took care of her and she in turn nurtured.]

But she always did like you better. Ships have never been very fond of me.
hunt4commonwealth: pic#5700723[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 13th, 2013 06:36 am (UTC)
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I don't think she disliked you. Well, maybe after... [He twirls his hands around each other as if to indicate that they both know where that sentence is going so no need to finish it.] I bet she was pissed then.

But if the rebellion hadn't happened and if you'd taken command after I retired, I bet she would have bonded with you.

And if you ever came back and I explained things to her, I think she'd forgive you. [Maybe. She'd at least try for Dylan's sake.]
Gaheris Rhade: rhade - your move[personal profile] truth_is_cold on April 14th, 2013 07:39 am (UTC)
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I don't think she would. Even when she understood me most, she didn't like my company as much. You were humorous with her. I was just a Nietzschean on a warship.

[He quirks a slight frown.]
hunt4commonwealth: pic#1559041[personal profile] hunt4commonwealth on April 14th, 2013 08:08 am (UTC)
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You were a Nietzschean on a warship. That doesn't mean she disliked you for it. I was just a human on a warship.

Although...she might have...liked me more than is usual for a ship to like a captain. [Dylan's a bit awkward saying it, because a romantic relationship between a ship and a captain is all kinds of problematic, and he's seen first hand with the Pax Magellanic what terrible problems it can cause. And he and Rommie never were anything but professional, but sometimes there was an undercurrent...]

But you'd have been a good captain and she'd have been loyal to you.
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